Not wanting to point fingers

topic posted Thu, September 27, 2007 - 5:52 PM by  Jenn
But can a person in general really aggaravate your OCD, Like make it worse. Mainly by their actions or how they carry them self? I think a really found my main trigger or shall I say who. But Don't want to be mean.
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Jenn
  • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

    Thu, September 27, 2007 - 6:15 PM
    Not sure about that. Uhm, people who I see NOT wash their hands in the bathroom become people I don't want to go near. I hate receiving any objects from them, or shaking their hands.

    I know some people who tend to spit when they talk make me want to stand further away from them. [I don't like spittle landing on my face, thank-you-very-much.]

    And I'm embarrassed to admit that sometimes being around gay people makes me nervous. I worry about being the first person to catch Aids or Hepatitis A/B/C casually, by some of that loose-flying spittle, LOL. Admittedly, not only gay people can catch Aids! But it's the first thing I think of.

    I honestly also worry when I'm around people I know are extremely sexually active, same reason.

    The OCD meds tone down the fear alot, though. But I tend to be more comfortable around married couples. If I get spat on by them, well, the most I'm likely to catch is the common cold. :) Assuming of course they aren't fooling around on each other and catching other things.

    However, I've managed to become good friends with a gay fellow at work. We have very similar interests in books and sci-fi, etc. He's totally cool. I told my husband that he's my "girlfriend" at work, LOL! We exchange email alot.

    I feel guilty feeling uncomfortable getting too close to him... i.e., within spittle distance. Sigh. But at least we're doing ok on the whole sharing books thing. :)

    He's a totally cool Dude. I don't think being gay is the right lifestyle to have, from what I've read in the Bible. But I don't believe in sex before marriage, either, and I kinda screwed that up, LOL! So I'm torn... I don't think less of him for being gay, and I honestly wish I could find a cute guy for him!!! At the same time, I don't want to encourage him in his gayness, and thus perhaps keep him out of Heaven!

    Whoa... went WAY off the subject of this thread, LOL!

    Ever have one of those conundrums? You want someone to be happy, want to help them in their happiness, yet don't believe their method of happiness is good, LOL?!? :)
    • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

      Thu, September 27, 2007 - 10:24 PM
      This is where I get paranoid (OCD) and worry I've offended anyone.

      If there are any gay OCD'ers here in this tribe, or any gay people reading this tribe period, I apologize for any offense my prior post may have caused. I did not intend to offend anyone.
      • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

        Fri, September 28, 2007 - 9:28 AM
        I'm gay and I'm not offended. If I may be frank, you just need some information. Freedom comes from knowing, fear comes from lack of knowledge.

        You actually can't get AIDS from spit. They've done years of research on it. Also, once the virus is exposed to the air, it dies. It's actually hard to get. You have to exchange blood or semen directly into the body. It's a blood borne disease - not an airborne virus. Colds and the flu - airborne.

        As far as your faith goes, that's up to you. The bible was written and edited by people that wanted to control the masses. The best way to control people is to regulate the way they live; time, food and sex. Things are different now 1500 years later and we know more about how things work. Science has explained myth. Man doesn't look up into the sky and wonder what mysteries control the sun, the moon and the weather. We understand it a little bit more.

        As far as other people making your OCD worse, I think that is somewhat true. If I have to work with really messy people, I find I have to clean and tidy before I can work. I can't do roomates either. I have to have my home clean or I get all on edge.

        Life is easy - until other people get involved. *grin*
        • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

          Fri, September 28, 2007 - 9:45 AM
          Thanks, Laura! :) Glad I did not offend you. :)

          Oh, I know I'm being ILLOGICAL about it (Aids). It's not really a logical thing... it's a highly improbably, worst-case scenario thing.

          Like, I chew on the inside of my lower lip... but sometimes I also chew directly on my lips. So if someone with Aids had recently brushed their teeth, and caused their gums to bleed, and spat, and it made it through the air and got to my lip where I'd been chewing... yeah.

          I know, I know: highly improbably. Pretty stupid. But, OCD, OCD, OCD, LOL!

          I believe the Bible was divinely inspired. But I don't believe that, just because it says "don't do this", that automatically means God hates people who "do this". He hates the sin, but tries to redeem the sinner with Jesus.

          But I do have problems understanding exactly why being gay is a sin.

          And here's the funny part. In the old testament, it says that men should not lay with men the way men lay with women or some such. It doesn't mention women + women, to my knowledge. [Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.]

          So, does that mean homosexuality is only bad between men, but is ok between women? Or perhaps, at the time, it was more of a "problem" occurring between men, and since it wasn't happening so much with women, it was left out?

          I figure it makes sense to extrapolate, because I can't understand why the rule would be against men+men, but not also against women+women. But then again, as long as both adults are having relations consensually, I don't understand what the problem is. Guess I need help from God on that one.

          When Lot was in Sodom, (or was it Gomorrah?), I felt like the biggest problem was that the crowd of guys outside the house wanted to RAPE the 2 Angels that came to visit Lot. Yikes. Not very nice. :P And the whole thing with not letting your guests get hurt was such a big deal in the Hebrew culture that Lot was wiling to offer up one (or both?) of his daughters instead.

          Anyway, it's a subject I'm still kinda confused about. :)

          And I TOTALLY understand what you mean, dealing with messy people. Although I've mostly been lucky in that respect. Just not lucky in dealing with people who don't wash well enough.

          Had a roommate in college. My OCD was really bad back then. Beds become couches in dorm rooms. The idea of someone sitting on my bed, even with the bedspread covering everything, drove me batty. I made sure my bed was the one in the "over the furniture" configuration, so no-one would be able to sit on it, LOL! [The beds could be configured to be bunk beds, or to be placed over your desk and dresser.]

          Life IS way easier until other people get involved, LOL!!!
          • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

            Fri, September 28, 2007 - 2:30 PM
            Well from direct experience with AIDS patients, it's really hard to get. I bite my cuticles. My fingers are always a mess. I actually used to sit with the boys when they were dying, my brother included. I touch his sweat, cleaned him when he was sick from the medicine, and even at the end when he was coughing blood. Gross I know but sometimes you have to go beyond your own feelings to help someone. I was tested a few times after he died just to make sure I wasn't infected. There was a reason to be scared of it but no virus ever made it into me. That was my up close lesson with that.

            I didn't mean to demean your beliefs. I just feel that a lot of time has pased and we have discovered so much since then, you know? I'm a Buddhist now and that path of helping others, finding compasion for myself and others, and working with peace seems to make sense. The compassion for myself is huge since I'm so down on myself for the OCD stuff.

            Aw well the world is crazy and we're just along for the ride most of the time, it seems. If I can get beyond my oddities and accept others, that is a big step for me.
            • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

              Fri, September 28, 2007 - 9:42 PM
              Laura, I am SO SORRY about your brother!!!! Oh, man! :(

              How long ago was that?

              I understand what you mean about going beyond your own feelings. I've taken care of my husband when he's sick. But of course, he didn't have anything that was life-threatening and contagious. Just something obnoxious and contagious. Which I eventually caught, but again, the stakes weren't that high, and because it was my husband, it was a risk I was willing to take. [Just can't do that now while pregnant... could hurt the baby.]

              Ironically, I've been able to turn off the OCD for things I badly wanted to do. Learning how to Scuba dive meant alot of sharing of regulators with instructors, or using rental regulators which has been in other people's mouths. But somehow I did it, even w/o being on meds. Still pretty floored that I was able to do that.

              Damn. Laura, you are awesome. You have OCD and you take care of AIDS patients... not just the care you gave your brother. I'm ... I'm floored that you are doing this. I know it has to totally trigger your OCD all over the place, especially with the cuticle nibbling.

              And yeah, the world is crazy. I try my best to accept other people's oddities, LOL! After all, I totally live in a glass house with my OCD and geekiness. I have no right to throw stones. :P

              And you absolutely did NOT demean my beliefs! You were totally cool. :)
    • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

      Fri, September 28, 2007 - 7:50 PM
      I think its because she never washes her hands. leaves nasty food on dishes. She leaves everything a mess just unsanitary in my opinion. Plus I lived with things my way for quite a few years then for it all change like that is when my OCD really started kicking in. Thats when I noticed a hell of a lot more anyway. Befor we moved with her it was just simple things I would do. Nothing that interferd with my life after we moved with her or acually she moved with us it got a whole lot worse. I had to finally see a therapist. And it continues.
      • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

        Fri, September 28, 2007 - 9:52 PM
        Ick.

        Speaking of pointing fingers, I REALLY can't point fingers. You probably wouldn't want to live with me. I tend to leave dirty dishes in the sink, and get to them about once a week. I gave up washing my hands after I blow my nose when at home. [At work, I use some purell on my hands afterwards.] But at home, I just figure unless I feel like I'm coming down with a cold, it's just my nose being a pain.

        And we have 2 German Shepherds. I don't wash my hands after touching them, unless I realize I touched something bad on them, like if they managed to get poo into their coats. They can lick my hands, or my chin. If they get my nose or mouth, I have to use an astringent on either. But otherwise, they pretty much can get doggy germs all over me.

        I will wash my hands before touching food directly by hand. [Food in containers, where I can manage to avoid directly touching the food in order to eat it, I'll just let go even if I have dog germs on my hands.]

        There's something very freeing about being able to just decide that some germs you're just going to live with. My husband's germs, my dog's germs, some house germs... It's nice to be able to relax about some things. Not sure I should really relax so much about the dog germs... I may have to get anal about them again when the baby is born, LOL. :) At least for the first 6 weeks, as the infant is getting his immune system up to speed.

        Jenn, sorry you're living with a slob.

        Wish I could say that being OCD does not mean you'll be a slob, but in my case, it seems to make me procrastinate even more on doing cleanup, because I feel like I have to get dirty in order to clean stuff up. But when I do clean stuff up, it is STERILE.
        • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

          Sat, September 29, 2007 - 8:45 AM
          You allow germs?? Amazing. I can't stand 'em.

          One of my pet peeves: When people lick their fingers before counting money.


          Blechhhhhhh it's so gross......
          • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

            Sat, September 29, 2007 - 6:34 PM
            JustAnotherGirl, I only can deal with germs from my husband and my dogs. And apparently scuba germs, but now that I have my own regulator, and generally only have my husband as my dive buddy (who I would share a regulator with if one of us were in a bind), the scuba germs I have to deal with are mostly my own and my husband's.

            Can you deal with your own germs? If you sneeze, and aren't about to touch something someone else will touch, can you ignore it, or do you have to wash your hands?
        • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

          Sat, September 29, 2007 - 8:57 AM
          Well I forgot one thing she does that I know would have to drive you nuts if you were me. If she trys to wash my sons bottles she leaves all kinds of nasty formula in them I have to scrub the hell out of them. But thats acually in all reality. It could realy get him sick! My house isn't the model of so clean it shines I do procrastinate. I think it's also the fact she lives her so her icky germs are in my house, lol. I am trying to talk my husband into when its tax refund time maybe she can move into her own place again. she mainly moved in with us to lightin up the bills and save money. but its more of a head ache than anything.
          • Re: Not wanting to point fingers

            Sat, September 29, 2007 - 2:10 PM
            People licking their fingers before counting money, or turning a page on something, totally grosses me out.

            Our cleaning people are TERRIBLE with dishes. They don't see that they haven't gotten everything off. I don't think it's on purpose.

            But yeah, I am NOT allowing them near the baby bottles. And I have a sterilization unit for the baby bottles that I'll be able to use.

            Just today, I reached in for a spoon for my oatmeal. I ended up tossing about 5 to 10 spoons into the sink that they hadn't cleaned adequately before I found a clean one. SIGH.

            I hate having to rewash dishes they don't quite clean correctly. Ghrrrr.

            I really just need to wash dishes as I bring them to the sink. Then I can put them in the dishwasher. And they won't be available for the cleaning people to clean, LOL! [And when the dishwasher is full, I can run it for that final, heat-sterilization for anything I MIGHT HAVE MISSED.

            Otherwise, they do a good job elsewhere. They clean my bathrooms. If I could get them to just leave the dishes for me, LOL! I used to hide the dirty dishes in the dishwasher, but... heh-heh, then I'd forget about them.

            Have you shown her the gunk in the bottom of the baby bottles? Told her about Salmonella and other lovely things? Asked her to just leave the bottles for you? Thank her for her help, but explained that some items she needs to leave for you?

            Sigh.

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